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Ken
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 Posted - Jul 20 2010 : 16:54:55
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Rushfan, my apologies if this is rather long. This post isn't exactly for you, it's for anybody reading this. Anybody searching for Bjorn Hultin, and Gatewear, will find these posts in the top results of Google, I know that. So this is more for them than for you. Also this is for anybody who joins the Gatewear Litigation Claimant Cooperation, at www.glcc.eu, they'll probably search for these terms and see my story here, which probably won't be allowed in Bjorn's glcc.eu website.
There is a saying in the legal community in the United States. If someone says something derogatory about you, and it's true, the LAST thing you should do is take the accuser to court for defamation of character and make his statements a matter of public record. I've actually told Bjorn this when he threatened to take me to court for what I said. Did he listen? Obviously not.
I'd prefer to forgive, forget, and move on with my life. Bjorn Hultin has now opened a whole new can of whoop ass by deciding to attack me personally, right here in Businesses from Hell.
As I mentioned before (sorry to repeat myself) Bjorn filed criminal charges against me in Izmir for "insult" and "threat" over what I posted about my experiences with him and his company, Gatewear. What I wrote wasn't pretty. But after talking with a trusted friend of mine, I decided to ask admin here to remove it, because my friend said that if I hurt Bjorn's business, he wouldn't be able to pay back anybody. I reluctantly agreed.
My intention was to warn others about what had happened to me, so it didn't happen to anybody else. I'd come to the point where I'd concluded that Bjorn would never pay me back, because of all of his broken promises and the number of times he'd reneged on his word to pay me back.
I researched Bjorn Hultin, and Gatewear, in Google before doing any business with him. Had someone else had a bad experience with Bjorn previously, and posted it in a forum like this, I'd have been able to find it and read their story. And I wouldn't have lost so much money. So by removing the post after one day, I was giving Bjorn Hultin yet ANOTHER chance to make good on his promises. Did Bjorn make good on ANY of his promises? No.
After some time, Bjorn submitted a copy of my one-day post to the prosecutor in Izmir, Turkey as evidence against me, accusing me of "insult" and "threat." In Turkey, apparently they don't have laws like "defamation of character," "libel," and "slander." In Turkey they have laws regarding "insult" and "threat."
I first got wind of this when Bjorn started sending me rather antagonizing e-mails, saying that he had done so. I received multiple e-mails from him about this. It got to the point where I blocked him from the Turkey Central servers so I wouldn't have to see them any more. Now here he is attacking me in Businesses from Hell.
Anyway I didn't wait for a subpoena. With a lawyer, I made an appointment and I went to the prosecutor's office
The Turkish prosecutor had me read a printed copy of my post in Businesses from Hell, as submitted by Bjorn, in his office. I said "this is exactly what I wrote" because it was.
The prosecutor said I'd done nothing illegal... I said this before...
Well, now it's a matter of public record. Bjorn did exactly what I told him he should not do. And he's given me a free ticket to re-post this all over the Internet whenever I choose to do so.
So is he shooting himself in the foot? Hell yes.
A request for you, Bjorn: Leave me alone. Let's forgive the past and move on. |
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rushfan
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Posted - Jul 20 2010 : 20:57:53
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Do me a favour here Guys
We do not need to deal with a bunch of jargon here, if you want to play tennis go to Wimbledon
And BTW which one of you guy’s got the idea this is a court of law?
It's only a frikkin’ forum...!
I know Legastories has tried without success (IMHO) to turn this into his own courtroom but guy’s wake up.
We Observers do not need to know the color of your socks or how clean your Kelvin Klines are, the last time you changed your shirt or how often you cut the grass - all that is of interest are the facts. (reading this again the grass could have some significance)
I think Legalstories has done a first class job of presenting his case in a way that no descendant of any intelligent carbon based life form or any their offspring (or Saltsa partners) could possibly understand. (and I raise hand up here)
But Ken I got to ask, why are you jumping on the same bandwagon?
You are posting the same drivel you put up a few days ago, why are you reducing yourself to the least common denominator?
I see you have answered each point line by line but Legalstories is not reading or listening so why the hell bother?
Stay on topic and stick to the facts – which I interoperate as:-
Bjorn owes Ken some money
Ken is a bit pissed off
Bjorn plays the role of judge jury and hangman and defends this position by threatening anybody who he disagrees with his views, with any "legal" entity he can lay his tongue to, or sounds plausible to him.
(I really do have to smile about that one)
Bjorn is not content with the Turkish legal system so decides to resolve this by making up his own.
Facts....
1. Ken went to the prosecutor, nothing happened – no case to answer
2. Bjorn/Legalstories publishes evidence in here that any 9 YO kid could reproduce and presents it as proof of a massive conspiracy. (Watch out Mr. Obama you might be next on his list, assuming Europe fails of course)
3. Bjorn has selective understanding
A. Ken says - no conspiracy, Bjorn does not believe
B. Ken Says – I’ll tell you something juicy next week, Bjorn Believes.
My oh my what are you guys on....!
I Have to put my twist on this....
Turkey Central (www.turkeycentral.com) is an organized site with a lot of value.
GLCC, www.glcc.eu (or is it www.glcc._CON_?) and Gatewear (www.gatewear.com) look like a sites which are out there for no other reason than to be present...
(And I am not going to repeat myself here)
Just visit the sites and draw your own conclusions.
And BTW Ken, today I picked up my tickets. Yipeeeee.....
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 21 2010 : 08:58:21
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RUSHHFAN
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"2. Bjorn/Legalstories publishes evidence in here that any 9 YO kid could reproduce and presents it as proof of a massive conspiracy. "
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Rushfans opinion has to be respected as legalstories DO NOT have EQUIVALENT EDUCATIONAL and LEGAL BACKGROUND as Mr. KEN GRUBB (MBA, Maryland and AFOSI AGENT).
Therefore one has to assume that Mr. KEN GRUBB will present ANY KIND of documentation supporting his story (YET IF ON THE LEVEL OF A 9 YEAR OLD)?!
A former AFOSI AGENT with the experience Mr. KEN GRUBBS CV contain,
would IN ALL FAIRNESS be expected to MAKE SURE HE HAS A DATED DOCUMENT COPY OF HIS TESTIMONY and ACQUITTAL from the prosecutor to present in the forum and SUPPORT HIS STORY???
In TURKEY ALL DOCUMENTS ARE STAMPED AND SIGNED IN ORDER TO BE LEGALLY VALID (which is why there are so many "NOTER" = Notarius Publicus in Turkey)which Mr. KEN GRUBB with HIS VALIDATED BACKGROUND SURELY ARE AWARE OF.
Mr. KEN GRUBB may very well NOT BE PART of any conspiracy, but if nothing else, he has "ALLOWED" himself and his actions to be a "TOOL" for the people who CAUSED THE WHOLE SITUATION to AVOID EXPOSURE and CAUSE IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGES which WILL BE LITIGATED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT and PUBLICLY EXPOSED...
As two (2) of the suspects CONRAD ICER and JOHN ROBERTSON are UK CITIZENS and the turkish legal system seem to delay/ignore investigations (as DOCUMENTED FACTS from BRUSSELS confirm)the director has just arrived back from meetings in the UK with GLCC lawyers and police authorities who will proceed in the matters.
Clearification:
GLCC is registered in the EU(European Union) as an organisation.
Rushfan can easily find the rules of registration on the EU websites.
FOLKS SO FAR NO EVIDENCE/DOCUMENTATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO SUPPORT ANY OF WHAT Mr. KEN GRUBB CLAIM (even though the EVIDENCE CONFIRM PARTS OF WHAT HE CLAIM, EVEN IF TAKEN OUT OF ITS CONTEXT)
TO BE CONTINUED... |
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rushfan
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2010 : 11:51:55
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Cool, thought we'd lost you....
Legal Stories:
Can I call you Bjorn or do you prefer Legalstories as I'm getting fed up with the charades.
Please can you tell me why you are posting the same answer in 3 different forums, I have only ever posted in this one.
Am I part of the "Conspiracy on www.businessesfromhell.com" and part of "Izmir, Turkey - The Inside story" now?
(Hey look Mom I famous)
Please would it be possible for you to be use plain English in your posts, the way some of this reads it can be interoperated that you think I am or you are accusing me of being Ken Grub. I can assure you that I am not and previously I told you so.
(As if you will believe me anyhow)
BTW thanks for the NOTER info I'll be sure to look one up if I ever goto Turkey.
Are these the guys to goto to give me stamped and signed document to say I'm not Ken Grubb?
Now...
I really don't get this bit about Ken not being part of a conspiracy but being litigated because he has been used as a tool.
You can not have that both ways, either he is guilty or not and a prosecutor has already decided he is not.
As for the other 2 Brits you are taking cheep shots at, is it their fault that the Turkish Authorities do not move at the speed you want them to?
Why rubbish them?
Your firing off like a loose cannon here I don't see your agenda, I suspect there isn't one but then again I'm from earth.
Have you more Paint Shop Pro ass wipe evidence to wow us with?
For sure I am totally sold by the crap you have posted up to date.
Hope you had a good time with the authorities in the UK, is the Queen of England in on it too?
Thanks for the Clarification,
"GLCC is registered in the EU(European Union) as an organisation"
That really clears it up for me, what does it take to join?
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 21 2010 : 14:29:50
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RUSHFAN
IF you have any OBJECTIVE way to measure your own postings you may see the irony (likely) everyone else see, as you CONTRADICT YOURSELF and AVOID TO SEARCH EVIDENCE...
HOW COME YOU ASK FOR INFORMATION/EVIDENCE from ONE END, but NOT THE OTHER???
'NUFF SAID
TO BE CONTINUED... |
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legalstories
172 Posts |
Posted - Jul 21 2010 : 14:37:26
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RUSHFAN
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"(Hey look Mom I famous)"
May be interesting combined with the E-mail from a REFERENCE (thank you for the correction of postings in Ken Grubbs native language), who sent an E-mail regarding www.businessesfromhell.com postings BUT AVOID TO ANSWER CORRESPONDENCE from GLCC LAWYERS...
ANYHOW THE NAME IS CLEARLY VERFIFED IN THE E-mail...
TO BE CONTINUED... |
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legalstories
172 Posts |
Posted - Jul 21 2010 : 14:43:29
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"Now...
I really don't get this bit about Ken not being part of a conspiracy but being litigated because he has been used as a tool.
You can not have that both ways, either he is guilty or not and a prosecutor has already decided he is not."
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OK,
SO SHOW THE WORLD DOCUMENTATION SUPPORTING THE ABOVE CLAIM???
AN MBA DEGREE and former AFOSI AGENT SURLEY MUST UNDERSTAND THE VITAL PART OF DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE??? OR MAY THE SITUATION B EREVERSED AND Mr. KEN GRUBB ACT AS THE "HANGMAN" and "PROSECUTOR/JUDGE" DECIDING WHETHER EVIDENDE IS OF ESSENCE OR NOT???
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rushfan
USA
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Posted - Jul 21 2010 : 15:05:21
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You arrogant B******
You dare to accuse me of having an objective when all you do is use this forum to further your own ends.
I contradict myself! oh boy are you out in the left field...
GLCC "Gatewear Litigation Claimant Cooperation" is a single page website which contains as much BS as your postings in here.
If Gatewear Litigation Claimant Cooperation is an organization registered in the EU
WHERE DO I FIND THE REGISTRATION DETAILS?
I have failed to find any reference to GLCC or Gatewear Litigation Claimant Cooperation anywhere!
What is it's purpose?
How does one join?
Where are the members?
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legalstories
172 Posts |
Posted - Jul 22 2010 : 00:43:56
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WELL,
WHO IS BEING SELECTIVE???
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE IM IS A ONEWAY INFORMATION EXCHANGE LIKELY IN ORDER TO RETRIEVE INFORMATION SO THE SUSOPWECTS CAN CHANGE THEIR STORYS AND ACTIONS ACCORDINGLY AND TWIST THE TRUTH?!
IF ANYBODY READ THROUGH RUSHAFANS POSTS, HE/SHE REPEATEDLY ASK FOR EVIDENCE AND DOCUMENTED FACTS (FROM ONLY ONE END)
THINGS DO HAPPEN IN A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER IN LIFE, SO IT CAN'T BE TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR DOCUMENTATION FROM MR. KEN GRUBB?!
IT'S TIME for Mr. KEN GRUBB to present ANY KIND of DOCUMENTS SUPPROTING HIS CLAIMS!!! |
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 22 2010 : 02:18:22
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"What is it's purpose?
"What is it's purpose?
Where are the members? "
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"What is it's purpose?
Answer: The purpose is to expose the truth behind the events that has caused irreversible damages to the members of GLCC, and claim compensation, as well as ensure no further damages can be inflicted on the members by the "elements" involved.
"What is it's purpose?
Answer: A company who has been imposed with damages by the actions involved in the investigation join by sending an e-mail (as stated on the www.glcc.eu) with full compnay details and their claims supported with documents available (invoices, correspondence etc.)
Where are the members?
Answer: The members are from 11 EU countries as mentioned in SEVERAL previous postings.
The member details aren't public in order to avoid supsects of contacting the members with FALSE allegations and OPPOSE JUSTICE as EVIDENCE PROVE THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY DONE...
RUSHFAN WE HOPE WE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS (even if on a 9 YO kids level)
NOW WE WAIT FOR Mr. KEN GRUBBS DOCUMENTS SUPPORTING ANY OF HIS POSTINGS?!
TO BE CONTINUED... |
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Ken
USA
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Posted - Jul 22 2010 : 14:43:20
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Yeah you're right Rushfan. I'm repeating the same old ****...
I should get off this merry-go-round. But Bjorn is accusing me of a variety of things I did not do. I'd take him to court, but he has no money as far as I know. So I have to slug it out with him here, since this is where he's slamming me and my company.
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Therefore one has to assume that Mr. KEN GRUBB will present ANY KIND of documentation supporting his story (YET IF ON THE LEVEL OF A 9 YEAR OLD)?! A former AFOSI AGENT with the experience Mr. KEN GRUBBS CV contain, would IN ALL FAIRNESS be expected to MAKE SURE HE HAS A DATED DOCUMENT COPY OF HIS TESTIMONY and ACQUITTAL from the prosecutor to present in the forum and SUPPORT HIS STORY???
Don't need any documentation. You're the one making the accusations. Prove what you're saying is true first, reindeer breath.
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Mr. KEN GRUBB may very well NOT BE PART of any conspiracy, but if nothing else, he has "ALLOWED" himself and his actions to be a "TOOL" for the people who CAUSED THE WHOLE SITUATION to AVOID EXPOSURE and CAUSE IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGES which WILL BE LITIGATED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT and PUBLICLY EXPOSED...
Well, thanks Bjorn. You've obviously looked over the stack of evidence you've collected and figured out that perhaps I'm not conspiring with others against you after all.
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As two (2) of the suspects CONRAD ICER and JOHN ROBERTSON are UK CITIZENS and the turkish legal system seem to delay/ignore investigations (as DOCUMENTED FACTS from BRUSSELS confirm)the director has just arrived back from meetings in the UK with GLCC lawyers and police authorities who will proceed in the matters.
I have nothing to do with what Conrad and John do. I also have nothing to do with what the Turkish legal system does. So this has nothing to do with me.
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FOLKS SO FAR NO EVIDENCE/DOCUMENTATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO SUPPORT ANY OF WHAT Mr. KEN GRUBB CLAIM (even though the EVIDENCE CONFIRM PARTS OF WHAT HE CLAIM, EVEN IF TAKEN OUT OF ITS CONTEXT)
I'm under no obligation to present anything. You are the one accusing me. Hey Bjorn! Let's say someone accuses you of being a child molester. Prove to all of us that you're not a child molester.
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AN MBA DEGREE and former AFOSI AGENT SURLEY MUST UNDERSTAND THE VITAL PART OF DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE??? OR MAY THE SITUATION B EREVERSED AND Mr. KEN GRUBB ACT AS THE "HANGMAN" and "PROSECUTOR/JUDGE" DECIDING WHETHER EVIDENDE IS OF ESSENCE OR NOT???
Well, yes I do. But this is a forum. Not a court of law. I'm merely replying to your baseless allegations. By the way, what are you alleging, if I haven't asked you lately? What are you accusing me of?
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THINGS DO HAPPEN IN A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER IN LIFE, SO IT CAN'T BE TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR DOCUMENTATION FROM MR. KEN GRUBB?!
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IT'S TIME for Mr. KEN GRUBB to present ANY KIND of DOCUMENTS SUPPROTING HIS CLAIMS!!!
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NOW WE WAIT FOR Mr. KEN GRUBBS DOCUMENTS SUPPORTING ANY OF HIS POSTINGS?!
Okay Bjorn. I'll bite on this. What documentation do you want? Please name them specifically.
Also would you please present documents here proving that you are not a child molester?
Once you provide documents proving that you are not a child molester, I will provide documents that I am not part of a conspiracy against you. |
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 23 2010 : 00:09:32
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Mr. KEN GRUBB!
Please provide the DATED, STAMPED AND SIGNED DOCUMENT from the PROSECUTORS OFFICE OF YOUR TESTIMONY AND ACQUITTAL!
THAT SHOULD BE EASY TO PRESENT!
THE REST WE CAN DEAL WITH IN COURT AND THE TRUTH WILL BE PUBLIC (which meens that Mr. KEN GRUBB should not be worried).
Thank you for the statement about CONRAD ICER and JOHN ROBERTSON WHO USED Mr KEN GRUBBS postings SEVERAL TIMES to HIDE THEIR ACTIONS CAUSING A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS...
TO BE CONTINUED... |
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 23 2010 : 00:19:10
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"I'm under no obligation to present anything. You are the one accusing me. Hey Bjorn! Let's say someone accuses you of being a child molester. Prove to all of us that you're not a child molester".
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Mr. KEN GRUBB SEEM TO FIND ANY KIND OF REFERENCE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC!
COMING POSTS WILL SHOW THAT HE PICKED AN EXAMPLE MATCHING EXACTLY WHAT DEFNE ATAKAN MENTION ABOUT PEOPLE IN E-MAILS...
Mr. KEN GRUBB MAY PROVE SHE DID NOT REFER TO HIM?!
TO BE CONTINUED...
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 23 2010 : 01:07:14
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ATTENTION:
NEW EVIDENCE...
Below is a copy of an E-mail sent to Irene Hultin from Mr. MALCOLM BROOK of BUSINESS UNITY (as the e-mailaddress state).
AGAIN A COPY of the E-mail Mr. MALCOLM BROOK REFER TO IN HIS E-mail to Irene Hultin.
ONE WONDER WHY Mr. MALCOLM BROOK TAKE HIS TIME to send E-mails to people who OBVIOUSLY ARE WELL AWARE OF THE LEGAL ACTIONS?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Malcolm Brook" <malcolm.brook@businessunity.com>
To: <irenehultin@telia.com>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:50 PM
Subject: Heads Up
> Dear Mrs. Hultin I'm sorry to disturb you but I think you ought to be made aware that your e-mail address has been made publicly available in an internet forum called businesses from hell. The Topic is here: http://www.businessesfromhell.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1281 The topic involves Bjorn - which I guess is no surprise to you. What concerns me is that your email address is visible, first from e-mail scan's posted by Legalstories (who I understand to be Bjorn) and secondly as a "mailto" link - towards the botom of the Page. In fact all I had to to to send you this mail is click on that link I do not wish to trouble you further, I just honestly feel you should be aware of this. Kind Regards Malcolm Brook
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One of the GLCC lawyers wrote an E-mail to Mr. MALCOLM BROOK and asked his assistance to provide COPIES OF TRANSFERS from BUSINESS UNITYS BANK ACCOUNT to JOHN ROBERTSON without ANY SIGN OF RESPONSE
(copy of the e-mail will be posted if necessary).
AS Mr. MALCOLM BROOK NOW CONFIRM IN HIS E-mail that the E-mailaddress was VALID (even if Mr. KEN GRUBB CLAIM THE COMPANY WENT BANKRUPCY?!), GLCC ONCE AGAIN ASK HIS ASSISTANCE TO PROVIDE COPIES OF THE TRANSFERS MADE FROM BUSINESS UNITYS BANK ACCOUNT to JOHN ROBERTSON on the behalf of the Gatewear director...
NOTE: THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY TASK IF COMPANY RECORDS ARE IN ORDER (which there is NO REASON to believe they are not)
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 25 2010 : 02:09:24
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BUSINESSUNITY.COM is now registered to TurkeyCentral LLC:
Registrant:
Turkey Central LLC
16934 Cavalry Drive
Williamsport, MD 21795
United States
Domain Name: BUSINESSUNITY.COM
Created on: 09-Sep-04
Expires on: 09-Sep-11
Last Updated on: 21-Mar-10
Administrative Contact:
Grubb, Kenneth
Turkey Central LLC
16934 Cavalry Drive
Williamsport, MD 21795
United States
+1.2406450729 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Grubb, Kenneth
Turkey Central LLC
16934 Cavalry Drive
Williamsport, MD 21795
United States
+1.2406450729 Fax --
Domain servers in listed order:
NS0.ROGUEPACKET.NET
NS1.ROGUEPACKET.NET
NS0.BUSINESSUNITY.GEN.TR
PERHAPS Mr. KEN GRUBB can facilitate the TRANSFERS from BUSINESSESUNITYS BANK ACCOUNT to JOHN RONERTSON on behalf of the Gatewear director???
IF NOT?!
THE COMPANY RECORDS of TURKEYCENTRAL indicate that he can ask MALCOLM BROOK TO PROVIDE THEM...
ONE HAS TO ASSUME THAT IT IS AN EASY TASK WITH THE COMPANY RECORDS UP-TO-DATE, as EVIDENCE MAY BE PROVIDED THEY ARE...
RECORDS OF PAYMENTS INTO BUSINESSUNITYS ACCOUNT CAN BE PROVIDED...
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