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legalstories
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 Posted - Jun 20 2010 : 02:16:39
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This and other topics were removed by the admin of this site...
Further information can be found on www.glcc.eu , YouTube etc... |
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legalstories
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Posted - Jun 21 2010 : 07:40:52
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An e-mail from the Administrator a.k.a Ben Densin of www.turkeycentral.com
Ben Densin -
I'm wondering if you would do me a favor if you have some free time. On
Turkey Central, I've started a business forum. Generally it's about doing
business in Turkey and the differences between the Turks and the rest of
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world. The post I made to start things is quite tame, that is, I don't
want
to offend the Turks... but I would appreciate it if you would respond to
the
post. You would need to join the forums to do so, with whatever user name
or
e-mail you like (so you can be anonymous if you want). But you've had
some
bad experiences like I have, and I could really use your view of the
Turkish
business mentality in the Business forum at Turkey Central. Because
you're
not me (the moderator and manager of the forums), you can say anything you
want... whereas I have to be more careful, that is, as the forum moderator
I
need to have a certain "nice, accommodating" personality... So I can't
post
the things that you might post... I have to be the good cop at Turkey
Central.Here's the URL to the business forum:
http://www.turkeycentral.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1075
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legalstories
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Posted - Jun 23 2010 : 09:48:04
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Ben Densin - WHO ARE THE PEOPLE HE REFER TO and WHY CAN'T HE STATE WHO THEY ARE??? WHERE IS THE TRANSPARENCY that a FORUM administrator would be expected to have?
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On 25 jun 2008 02:45 "Ken Grubb" <ken@turkeycentral.com> wrote:
Hello Bjorn,
I’m sorry for not calling with you and meeting up with you today. I’ve been struggling with a way to explain to you why I can’t meet with you. Basically, I’ve been advised not to meet with you, nor develop any kind of social relationship with you, nor help you in any way, until the debt has been repaid. After some conversation concerning this advice, I now understand why… I can’t explain much of it to you, nor can I tell you who my advisors are. Basically, I can’t tell you much of anything regarding this at all.
I should tell you that I’m not talking about the mafia (I hate the mafia and wouldn’t even accept a shoe-shine from them), nor anyone who is connected with your in-laws, nor anyone else connected with the various lawsuits you have going. I at least wanted to clear that up so you know that I have not joined with your other adversaries. As far as I’m concerned, I’m only your adversary if you decide that, which I think is your policy as well! J Well, the last thing I want to be is your adversary.
Once our financial situation is over and I’m repaid, we can sit down over a beer or two and I and explain quite a few things, that is, some of the goings-on that you’ve experienced which must have created question marks in your head… it would make a few things more clear to you that I’m sure you’ve been puzzled about. But until then, I just need to be repaid. That’s all I’ve ever wanted over the last 1 ½ years, you know that and I won’t go into that further. Unfortunately, following the advice given to me, I can’t hang out with you socially until that happens, regardless of what I personally may want to do.
Again, I’m sorry for not calling you; I hope you understand, at least partially, my position in all of this… I didn’t know how to explain it. I would expect you to do the same if you were from my background, and my position presently. And Bjorn, personally, I really look forward to putting all of this behind us, having a few beers, and being friends again. Until then I have to do what I have to do.
Please understand my position…
Ken
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legalstories
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Posted - Jun 27 2010 : 02:56:41
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From: ken@turkeycentral.com
To: bjorn@gatewear.com
Date: 25 June 2010 22:00
Subject: Re: Re: Sorry for not meeting with you
So you want the truth?
In two days, I'm going to send you some information which will blow this whole thing out of the water. You will understand what's going on after you see this.
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legalstories
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Posted - Jun 29 2010 : 03:08:11
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Well so far no information submitted FOLKS!
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legalstories
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Posted - Jun 30 2010 : 03:12:00
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| As of today EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT has been duly notified about the cases and investigations in Izmir, TURKEY, and will proceed and investigate the Turkish authorities actions, and the reasons behind the "DELAY OF JUSTICE" and HUMAN RIGHTS"! |
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 07 2010 : 04:32:34
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From: ken@turkeycentral.com
To: bjorn@gatewear.com
Date: 25 June 2010 22:00
Subject: Re: Re: Sorry for not meeting with you
So you want the truth?
In two days, I'm going to send you some information which will blow this whole thing out of the water. You will understand what's going on after you see this.
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ONCE AGAIN The ADMINISTRATOR HAS AVOIDED The TRUTH, AS NO INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED...
The TRUTH WILL BE PUBLIC AS SOON AS INTERNATIONAL AUTHORITIES and the EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT HAS RETRIEVED INFORMATION! |
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Ken
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Posted - Jul 10 2010 : 17:48:54
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"International investigators!!!" "European Parliament!!!" AAAAAHHHH! I've been listening to this for a long time.
Some time ago, Bjorn got a few of us Izmir expats involved in his business deals. Unfortunately some of them involved loans to help him get his business going. We helped the guy. After not being repaid, another expat posted about it on Businesses from Hell under "Fails to Pay Their Debts." So did I. I later asked admin to remove my posts.
Bjorn filed criminal charges against me in Izmir for "insult" and "threat" as a result of my earlier post about him here at Businesses from Hell. The prosecutor saw neither insult nor threat in what I'd posted. The prosecutor looked at the charges, told me I'd done nothing wrong and said that I didn't have to return.
Bjorn then started sending me e-mails about this alleged conspiracy against him (telling him there isn't one does no good), and telling me how he had the "International Police" (no such thing), the "American Police" (no such thing) and the "International Courts" (which don't investigate these matters) after me. He wanted me to collect information on other people and send it to him, saying that if I did, he'd go easy on me. Knowing it was all B.S., I had some fun with it and said I'd do ANYTHING, and betray all of my friends and give them up to Bjorn in exchange for his mercy, and that I should have known better than to trifle with someone of his superior intelligence and cunning. My friends and I had a good laugh about it.
After finally deciding to block his domain from our e-mail accounts, I sent Bjorn a parting shot about something which would "blow this whole thing out of the water," which is what he wants to hear anyway. The smoking gun! The bombshell! Oh please. I would think that when he got the message that his e-mails had been blocked, he'd be smart enough to figure out that I was far from serious. 
Regarding Turkey Central, which has a forum that I'm the admin for, the e-mail I sent him about doing business in Turkey was in reply to in-person comments both of us had made about how the business style in Turkey can be rather difficult (you had to be there). At the time I'd had problems with some Turkish companies, some of it as a result of my own ignorance about how things were done. The business forum was new, and I was trying to generate discussion there. By Bjorn posting about some of his negative comments (bad cop), which he regularly talked about with me, we could generate discussion without me as the administrator starting the topics (good cop). To read this e-mail out of context is to paint me in a rather bad light, which I assume is Bjorn's intention here.
Regarding why I didn't want to meet Bjorn (I can't imagine why anybody would care about this, but here goes). Bjorn wanted to start hanging out with me again at one point, and I figured he'd be recording everything I said to try to embarrass me with whatever he could in some way later. Think that's strange? Not for him. He recently sent me an e-mail saying that he'd recorded a friend of mine saying something derogatory about me and wanted me to hear it... just trying to do more damage, I assume. Bjorn asked if he could stay at my house sometimes as well. I just wanted him to pay me at least something back, which required not being on his bad side, without having to hang around with him or have him in my house. I opted to tell Bjorn that I'd been advised by a mysterious third party, to not meet with him until the issues between us had been settled and after I had been paid back. I got a little carried away.
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Ken
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Posted - Jul 10 2010 : 23:10:50
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 11 2010 : 15:11:21
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Well folks...here is ANOTHER EVIDENCE of the Izmir Turkey REALITY!
Mr. KEN GRUBBS (owner and administrator of www.turkeycentral.com) previous post leave every reader a "fair" chance of doubt?!
The receipt copied below is an OFFICIAL document from the EU to the 2nd in command of the Izmir BAR (supposed to be a legal system)
The submitted information and request in accordance with European Parliament signee regulatory obligations has been COMPLETELY IGNORED,
and MULTIPLE ATTEMPTS from the EU LAWYERS, European Parliament and MEDIA has been IGNORED and OPPOSED!!!
NOTE: The well documented FACT that the administrator of www.turkeycentral.com KEN GRUBB (US EXPAT and allegedly former OSI AGENT) after appx. 20 years in Turkey do not EVEN SPEAK CONVERSATIONAL TURKISH may PERHAPS be apprehended as PURE ARROGANCE/IGNORANCE?!
Would YOU trust a person who DISRESPECT/IGNORE the IMPORTANCE of LOCAL/DOMESTIC CULTURE, LANGUAGE, LAW, and HONOUR?
The claims of Mr. KEN GRUBB that the prosecutor told him he had no legal fault, should be reconsidered as the PRESENT PROSECUTOR aren't the same as the one "taking the statement of" Mr. KEN GRUBB, and the DOCUMENTED FACT that Defne Atakan and her family (who were CONVICTED of ASSAULT and DEATH THREATS) CLAIM to KNOW/CONTROL ALL POLICE, PROSECUTORS, JUDGES, LAWYERS in Turkey...
E-mails from Defne Atakan refering to Mr. KEN GRUBB, Mr. John Robertson, Conrad Icer and MORE are ONLY bits of EVIDENCE...
The EVIDENCE WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION!
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legalstories
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Posted - Jul 12 2010 : 04:06:08
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Previous postings of material "indicating" knowledge of the turkish law enforcements actions, and VIDEOS THEREOF (Izmir Adnan Menderes Airport and Istanbul Sabiha Gökcen Airport) on the EXACT same dates, as the postings here on www.businessesfromhell.com, and other forums i.e. www.turkeycentral.com, and direct e-mail and phone contacts to present and potential new customers with claims of fraudulent activity and incapability by Ken Grubb, John Robertson (who the Izmir law enforcement HAS STILL NOT 20100712 been able to find!!!), and Conrad Icer paint a somewhat "different picture" than the one Ken Grubb posted...
The aim to keep a company and its directors from visiting business partners and customers face-to-face and at the same time defame the company and oppose to deliver services and products, by ALTERNATIVE, PROFESSIONAL and HONEST suppliers who MEET the requirements of QUALITY, PRICING, and DELIVERY TIME, in order to HIDE the FACTS of companies contractual failures, and "secret agendas" is NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH FAIR TRADE...
Evidence of the FACT that John Robertson received copies of the banking/account details of a company and its director, and his reluctance to confront the company who "impounded" the transfer agreed to settle his claims LEAVE A QUSTIONMARK OF HIS INTENTIONS,
as his connection with Ken Grubb, Conrad Icer and the company are well documented on forums, and in e-mails from Defne Atakan www.defneatakan.com
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Ken
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Posted - Jul 12 2010 : 08:48:54
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The posting about you on Turkey Central's forum was not made by me, and I removed it after I saw it. The poster was looking for you to get his money back, as I recall.
The much later post made on Businesses from Hell WAS made by me, and it was an accurate account of what happened to me when I did business with you and lost a huge amount of money on bad loans to you. It was after numerous broken promises by you to pay me back at least part of the money you owed me.
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NOTE: The well documented FACT that the administrator of www.turkeycentral.com KEN GRUBB (US EXPAT and allegedly former OSI AGENT) after appx. 20 years in Turkey do not EVEN SPEAK CONVERSATIONAL TURKISH may PERHAPS be apprehended as PURE ARROGANCE/IGNORANCE?!
I have not spent anywhere close to 20 years in Turkey, and the length of time I have been in Turkey, and my language skills, have nothing to do with anything. Actually I'm often complemented on my Turkish.
John is an acquaintance of mine. I met Conrad, I think, one time years ago. These other people you're referring to I have never met.
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Posted - Jul 12 2010 : 15:43:33
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Mr. KEN GRUBBS postings on www.businessesfromhell.com did EXACTLY what he now claim he is subject of - information taken out of its context, as he at the time of his postings did not reveal the identities behind the people who under the names "Izmirli", (Conrad Icer) "johnnny69uk", and "jimmycricket" (both John Robertson impersonating two different identities) acted on behalf of the elements aiming at destroying a company and its directors business, reputation, and avoid justice for those damaged including Mr. KEN GRUBB.
Mr. KEN GRUBBS posted material has later been and are still being sent from "anonymous" e-mail addresses to companies who had intentions of using the companys services and to 3rd party patent suppliers in order to paint a picture of the company and its directors OPPOSITE to the efforts made in the best interest of contracted parties and new clients...
His postings included photographs invading privacy of private individuals and had the ONLY aim to AVOID the company to save the rights of the contracted parties and EXPOSE the TRUTH behind the Izmir SCAM and CONSPIRACY!
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Ken
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Posted - Jul 12 2010 : 17:18:37
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Ken
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Posted - Jul 12 2010 : 21:38:47
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OK, to be fair, let's break down what you're accusing me of.
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Mr. KEN GRUBBS postings on www.businessesfromhell.com did EXACTLY what he now claim he is subject of - information taken out of its context
What was taken out of context? If I misrepresented the facts, how did I do so? Tell the world what I said out of context.
Should I now re-post my original post here? I can guarantee you that lots of people in Izmir would be cheering me for doing so. After you filed charges against me with the local prosecutor for "insult" and "threat," the prosecutor read every word of my previous post on Businesses from Hell. He told me that I had done nothing wrong.
I had actually removed it as an act of kindness extended to you. But since you're now trashing me, and my company, I'm not feeling so kind any more. So do you want me to re-post it?
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as he at the time of his postings did not reveal the identities behind the people who under the names "Izmirli", (Conrad Icer) "johnnny69uk", and "jimmycricket" (both John Robertson impersonating two different identities)
Why would I do that? People post in forums like this all the time, and I would never expect them to research the identities of all other people who have posted under the same topic they have. And since you claim to know who these people are, what difference does it make anyway?
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acted on behalf of the elements aiming at destroying a company and its directors business, reputation
Who? Who acted on behalf of these "elements?" What "elements?" I have told you again, and again (and again), that I am not a part of any conspiracy against you. But telling you this does no good! If I say "Bjorn, I am not part of any conspiracy," You don't believe it. It doesn't matter what I say. But if I say "In two days I will send you something which will blow this whole thing out of the water!" You believe that. Why do you believe one thing I say, but not the other? It's because one thing you don't want to believe, but the other, you want to believe. So the tables have turned, now I've made a fool out of you.
A person's reputation is a result of that person's character. I can certainly say that your reputation is a result of your character.
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and avoid justice for those damaged including Mr. KEN GRUBB.
Name one single time where this has been true. Name one time, Bjorn Hultin. When I heard you'd filed criminal charges against me for "insult" and "threat" because of my previous post on BusinessesFromHell about how you ripped me off, I had a lawyer contact the local prosecutor to make an appointment so I could address your frivolous allegations. I didn't even wait for a subpoena. I was interviewed by the prosecutor and answered everything truthfully.
Bjorn, I would have accepted any outcome the prosecutor decided. You, on the other hand, if it doesn't come out your way, you think the prosecutor must be corrupt.
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Mr. KEN GRUBBS posted material has later been and are still being sent from "anonymous" e-mail addresses to companies
Well, I'm not sending it. My greatest desire is that you go away, get out of my life, and that nobody ever mention your name to me again for as long as I live.
I posted information about how Bjorn Hultin and Gatewear ripped me off, on Businesses from Hell (want me to post it again, Bjorn?). It was on this website for about one day. If somebody's sending copies of it around, I don't know who it is. And I don't care.
By the way Bjorn... If you don't believe that, I'm going to send you something in two days which will blow this whole thing out of the water.
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who had intentions of using the companys services and to 3rd party patent suppliers
I have to say something here. In all fairness, Bjorn Hultin's Patternstyler software is simply incredible. Bjorn's company, Gatewear, could have made make millions from this software.
Bjorn brought me on as a chief operations officer with Gatewear, and I was very jazzed about that. I didn't get any money from him. Seems like most of what I did was loan Bjorn Hultin more money, to ship Gatewear's samples to various companies in Europe. I know for a fact that some of these companies paid Gatewear large amounts of money. But Bjorn didn't even send a little of it my way (or to the way of anybody else who loaned him money.
Bjorn, I wish you had spent more time doing an honest business with Gatewear and kept your promises to those many people you gave promises to. If you had simply kept your word, your promises, you'd be rich right now. You were among friends, friends who helped and supported you. You had everything you needed to make Gatewear a fantastic company. But you screwed us instead.
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in order to paint a picture of the company and its directors OPPOSITE to the efforts made in the best interest of contracted parties and new clients...
Well I don't know about that. I didn't do any of what you're saying above. All I know is that I paid Gatewear's bills, and loaned you a tremendous amount of money because I honestly believed in you and that you'd pay it back. How much of that money have you paid me back, Bjorn? Please reply to that.
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His postings included photographs invading privacy of private individuals
Bjorn Hultin's Gatewear office was basically two small computer desks pushed together, with two laptops, in an apartment they'd rented. I was in the apartment while working with Gatewear. I took a photo of Bjorn and his former partner in their office. Bjorn would tell his customers that he had a large, posh office in an expensive district of Izmir, with multiple employees. But because this fictitious office was under renovation, his customers couldn't see it. On one occasion Bjorn told me to tell a prospective customer that he had a posh office. I did, and now I feel badly for doing this. I told Bjorn to never ask me to do that again. When we met the next customer, and they asked to see Gatewear's office, I told them to talk to Bjorn about it, I wasn't going to lie for Bjorn Hultin again.
Actually when I took the photo, I seriously believed that I'd be a very successful man with Gatewear. I took the photo for posterity, and there were certainly no protests from Bjorn when I took that photo. I believed that one day, we'd have a huge corporate office, and my photo, taken when it was only Bjorn, me, and the other person (I'll spare him by not mentioning his name) would be something to hang on the lobby wall of our huge corporate building. Not!!!
Would anybody like to see that photo? Bjorn?
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and had the ONLY aim to AVOID the company
Well after I figured out I'd been taken for several thousands of dollars, hell yes I avoided Gatewear, and Bjorn Hultin!
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to save the rights of the contracted parties and EXPOSE the TRUTH behind the Izmir SCAM and CONSPIRACY!
Well that's funny, you never seemed to be particularly interested in saving the rights of the companies you dealt with.
Again, Bjorn, I have told you this again and again.
I'm not part of any conspiracy against you. You screwed me out of a LOT of money. I let people know about it on Businesses from Hell. I know three other people you've also screwed over, not to mention restaurants where you left without paying rather large bills. We talk about you sometimes. That's about the closest thing to a conspiracy I'm involved with.
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Posted - Jul 13 2010 : 01:43:10
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Well FOLKS,
Again MR. KEN GRUBB leave out important FACTS i.e. the names of the people he refer to in his posting (pictures and further material coming soon).
GLCC - Gatewear Litigation Claimant Cooperation are certain that several elements in Izmir will cheer you on as it take FOCUS AWAY from the fraudulent actions of themselves, which will be PUBLIC and litigated.
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Why would I do that? People post in forums like this all the time, and I would never expect them to research the identities of all other people who have posted under the same topic they have. And since you claim to know who these people are, what difference does it make anyway?
1) In order to act against the people who damaged relations with the aim to stop justice and the truth and liabilities being settled.
2) Information of the people behind the identities were submitted by
the administrator of www.businessesfromhell.com
3) As John Robertson DID NOT ACT to REVEAL the SCAM by ZEN TEKSTIL
when they blocked the transfer AGREED to settle his claim.
Comments about the prosecutor and other law enforcement are based on RECORDED EVIDENCE and SMS, E-mails from Defne Atakan, her family and other elements...
If Mr. KEN GRUBB has questions to why his name is mentioned in their correspondence he ought to find out from them, as he himself does not see any reason to reveal information about people making claims and statements.
As for Mr. KEN GRUBBS "work" as Chief Operations Officer, information revealing the ACTUAL PERFORMANCE and PRESENCE will paint a somewhat "DIFFERENT" picture.
How does Mr. KEN GRUBB have access to information about company transfers? Which companys? State their names and how you received the information?
Who are the friends I were among and HOW they would have been able to make a positive inpact would be an interesting story?!
Business aren't made GOSSIPING WHILE IN THE PUB POORING DOWN LARGE AMOUNTS OF BEER which on some occasions were sponsored by the companys director and then ABUSED (LEAVING LARGE BILLS BEHIND in the name of the director) by the receivers and who now paint a bad picture of the director who was trying to help people out.
Mr. KEN GRUBB was NOT informed about all details regarding the companys domains, locations, employees etc., as his true AGENDA were not clear, which has later been confirmed to be different then what is presented on www.businessesfromhell.com.
ALL POSTINGS SO FAR IS TWISTED IN A DIRECTION to paint a bad picture of a company and its directors, and AWAY from the FACT and TRUE IDENTITIES and STORYS of the people Mr. KEN GRUBB refer to but AVOID to submit the IDENTITIES OF...WONDER WHY (the RECORDED INFORMATION and PICTURES will show the TRUTH)...
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Well that's funny, you never seemed to be particularly interested in saving the rights of the companies you dealt with.
The companys director EVEN FLEW IN PERSON TO DELIVER GOODS, as the people behind the SCAM and the turkish authorities CLAIMED the other director COULDN'T LEAVE TURKEY as PREVIOUS POSTS REVEAL, and NEW CLIENTS were "MYSTERIOUSLY" and ANONYMOUSLY contacted with defaming statements about the company, and the ONLY POSSIBLE SOURCE of INFORMATION was the LOCAL DHL EXPRESS OFFICE in Izmir (RECORDED INFORMATION WILL BE PRESENTED IN DUE TIME)
As Mr. KEN GRUBB is keen to post further material, he may do so on his own decision.
FOLKS - IF WE WERE TO POST THE RECORDED MATERIAL IN POSSESSION,
IT WOULD REVEAL A VERY DIFFERENT and DISGRACEFUL PICTURE of the CHARACTERS of the PEOPLE refered to in Mr. KEN GRUBBS postings...
TO BE CONTINUED...
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